From nospam@cs.stanford.edu Tue Sep 8 15:07:47 GMT 1998 Article: 53014 of rec.juggling Path: Supernews34!SupernewsNP!Supernews73!supernews.com!newsfeed.wli.net!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news.stanford.edu!nntp.stanford.edu!not-for-mail From: Martin Frost me at stanford edu Newsgroups: rec.juggling Subject: Re: Evil Passing Pattern - and slow-fast feed ideas... Date: 08 Sep 1998 00:02:30 -0700 Lines: 118 Sender: me@Sunburn.Stanford.EDU Message-ID: References: <35ece3fa.252115@news.clara.net> <35edfe5a.3042219@news.clara.net> <905118657snz@altern8.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: sunburn.stanford.edu X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.5/XEmacs 20.4 - "Emerald" Xref: Supernews34 rec.juggling:43514 Tarim@altern8.demon.co.uk (Tarim) writes: > It is indeed the 1-Count Typewriter or, as it is often known in > the UK, the Urban Terror Feed (a name which becomes far more > obvious when you try to feed it for the first time and discover > the terror of a multitude of clubs flying towards your head from > all directions.) > > The inventor was, of course, Martin Frost. Thanks for clarifying that. (It's a pattern I'm quite fond of and I suppose quite proud of having created.) > If you're ever unsure of who invented a pattern - then it's a safe bet it > was Martin. Thanks, Tarim, for the modest exageration. I have created a lot of "unusual" patterns, mostly R/L things. When I get all the patterns sorted out for my book, we'll see how many are my creations. Of course, many patterns are independently invented by different people (over and over again, usually). And I have by no means invented all the unusual passing patterns that are done. (I don't claim to have invented any "usual" patterns, I think! Unless the 7-object 1-count is now "usual". Well, maybe more of my patterns are working their way into usualhood. :-) But I think I've had a strong influence on the increase in R/L passing that has occurred over the last 14 years, since I've taught a lot of convention workshops starting in 1984 at the EJC in Frankfort, plus I've written many Juggler's Workshop articles in Juggler's World since 1988. And hopefully some R/L patterns have been invented by others inspired by my workshops and articles. > In fact, if you're sure a pattern was invented by, say > Brendan Brolly, then it was actually invented by Martin ;-) Well, just one, I think. > In another thread, Lars said: > > yesterday I learned the following passing pattern: 3-count with a > > 5-count switch. It seems rather impossible to do it, so I came up with a > > slightly different way to do it which looks a little bit like Tarim's or > > Sean Gandini's "pattern from hell". > > This one isn't Tarim's. Tarim was pretty sure it was Sean's - > until he found Sean asking who invented it - so it'll probably > turn out to be one of Martin's. Nope, I have nothing to do with inventing or naming (or even doing) patterns From Hell. I don't even like to think about them, much less do them. (:-) (I did do one helluva pattern with JAG at Primm, though. It didn't involve counting, fortunately, just remembering where the hell you were in the long sequence -- it intermingled Slow Fast with Mild Madness. It was invented by Ralph, a friend of JAG's, and is called, I believe, "For No Good Reason" -- with good reason, I think.) > One of the few patterns (at least which seems to have caught on > at all) that Tarim invented himself, is "Tarim's Countdown" (c) > 1977. There was a dodgey moment when Tarim was talking to Martin > at the EJC this year, because Martin thought he may have done > this pattern even earlier - but then decided it was something > else. Right, the pattern that Tarim's Countdown reminded me of was actually a different pattern that also involved counting up and down. However, it was all 2-count passing except for using a single 1-count (RL or LR) to change from R hand to L hand (2-count) passing (after N 2-count passes from either the R or L, where N counted up and down). Not all that exciting a pattern at this point in the development of juggling, though someone just learning to pass L handed might make good use of it. But, tell me, Tarim, are you able to do From Hell patterns without constantly thinking/counting? I prefer patterns where my body learns the rhythm (no matter how complex) and my brain can then turn off after teaching my body the pattern. That allows my brain to watch and enjoy. > From: rob@psych.york.ac.uk (lithos)Xref: nntp.stanford.edu rec.juggling:42245 > definitely Seans invented the notion of on hell paterns if not the > name. >> Tarim: >> Coincidently, it may also be Simon who >> first called the 1-Count Typewriter an Urban Terror Feed. (Well >> Simon, was it you?) > I remmebr calling it the Urban Tera Feed which i felt was even > more descriptive but i didnt invent or name the pattern for sure. Aha, another example of how names change when passed (no pun intended) by word of mouth. > From: Tarim@altern8.demon.co.uk (Tarim) > > 1977 - surely you mean 1987 or 1997 ? > > Ah, Tarim knows his youthful looks are deceptive. Why it's > hard to believe he was even born in 1977, let alone juggling. But > it's true! Admitedly the countdown was done with tennis balls. > Tarim hadn't ever seen a bean bag then - let alone a club. Don't > think there was any such thing as a juggling shop. And if only > Tarim had known about the EJC he could have increased the > attendance at the very first one from 11 people to 12. > > Of course, Martin had been juggling for many years by 1977 ;-) For only four years, actually, at that time (and now for 25). But I *had* already been to my first convention -- the 1976 IJA convention in Los Angeles (which had about 50 or 70 jugglers in attendance, as I recall). Oh, and I remember teaching the 7-ball 1-count to someone at that convention, having created that pattern with my original partner and roommate Tom. (We were passing clubs by then, but not 7 in a 1-count.) That was the first way (!) we figured out to pass 7 balls, after "mastering" 6. Martin